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Before you get too excited, let me first say that I don't have a foolproof method of beating keno at any casino. What I do have is an interesting story of how one man did indeed beat the casino at keno, very convincingly. This of course could be repeated, but if you're lucky enough to come across it, I recommend you keep it to yourself. The tale is often misinterpreted as the story of the math wiz who used chaos theory to determine consistent patters below the surface of a pseudo random number generator. In essence this is pretty much true, except it wasn't a math wiz, he didn't do a single calculation, and probably couldn't define what chaos theory is with anything more than the Jurassic park explanation. But his realization of a pattern within a set of no patterns is entirely true.

First off lets explain the difference between pseudo random numbers and random numbers. On another page of this site I mention that computers are actually much worse at picking random numbers than humans are, and I'd like to qualify that a little. When a computer program is asked to generate a random number, they go to a sequence of code designed for just that, which coincidentally enough is usually referred to as a random number generator. The problem is that the random number generator is only as good as its seed value, from which the random string of numbers is produced. A seed number acts sort of as the random starting block.

The problem is, how do we make the seed number random? Well we don't, computer scientists do; at least they attempt to. The most recent research in the field that I've come across talks of scientists in California calculating the number of raindrops which fall within a certain set area, in an attempt to draw random seeds from something truly random. So you see this is why most random number generators are actually pseudo-random number generators and, if you know both the seed and the number generator algorithm, then you can perfectly predict the coming numbers (hence the pseudo, 'cuz it sure ain't random if its predictable). Most seed values are achieved by adding an offset number to the preceding seed number before the next random number is produced. This could be achieved, for example, by a computer taking the seed and multiplying it by the number of keystrokes at the computer over the past 5 minutes, squared, or by any other equally nonsensical, and therefore relatively random way to produce a number.

So in the case of this fellow who 'beat' keno, we now have some idea how he must have gone about it. Basically he either needed to know the algorithm and the seed, or have someone feeding him information in a method I can't even imagine. Turns out he had what was essentially equal to the seed and the algorithm, by simply consistently observing the keno numbers each day at the same casino. While searching for patterns day after day, he realized the keno machine was starting with the same seed, and running the same algorithm, each and every morning. An automated system at the casino must have physically shut the machines down and started them up each morning. This, in concert with programming that resets its seed value upon start-up each day, and utilizes just one random number generation algorithm, results in the casino displaying the same 'random' set of results starting with set one, proceeding to set two, and set three. So if you played the first game of the day each day, the winning numbers would be exactly the same each time. If you played the 45th game each day, it would be the same as the 45th game from the preceding day. Eventually the 'math wiz' caught onto this fact, and started taking advantage. He saw a pattern below the patterns, while busy searching with chaos theory for a pattern above the patterns.

In reality, the player didn't beat keno; the casino beat itself.




Comments

Cunta Kintay (12/04/09 3:56 am)I found that numbers do repeat somewhat for example the numbers 51-60 one day kept falling digital keno so i played them and hit 9 out of ten and got the Power ball x4 my winnings it was a ten cent machine and i walked away with over 350.00 $ profit this happens often but different numbers and once u hit good they may come again but not as big 7/10 insted

Bob (21/04/09 3:34 am)Any programmer worth his/her salt starts a random # generator with a time seed which is sensitive to about 4 places & therefore totally different every day - it would take millions of trials to see a pattern - good luck - mathematicians always win !!

Cognitive Scientist (08/06/09 8:52 pm)Humans are not better at producing random numbers. They have actually been documented to be terrible at this. This is why some people are better than others at rock-paper-scissors.

bob (10/07/09 9:00 pm)hello

brad davis (29/09/09 12:43 am)random # sure.... but.. the real way to "beat" is to clump some numbers together, like 3 or 4 numbers and keep playing them...sooner or later they will come up, keno #s tend to clump together.
when you think its time, predict, bet huggge!

brad davis (29/09/09 12:46 am)dont EVER go above 5 #s, i would say dont go above 3. (3 #s is doeable, and 25 times whatever you bet is a good solid win!!!

the odds of hitting all 8, 9 , or 10 numbers..astronomical..forget it, just never going to happen.I played 10 years before i ever got all 5 out of 5 !!! 10 yrs!!!! but mucho sucess just plyaing 2 or 3 numbers, if you want it to pay out big, bet big!!!

hilchond (02/10/09 4:32 pm)Hello people on net.

Roy - The Woodlands, TX (04/10/09 8:53 pm)Diamond Jack's Casino in Vicksburg, MS was hit for 30 Keno jackpots within 1 hour by a group of people, betting 5 numbers at $40 a card. Reportedly the group won over $100,000 and left casino

Nevada Smith from RENO (16/11/09 12:09 am)I play a pattern that looks like a dead man and I can place the Dead Man anywhere on the Keno card make my bet and win. Each play bet is $1. Before i do any betting, I go up and ask for a history of games already played. That'll show to me about six games. From that I can select the combo of deadmen patterns I will be on. I win often. Now that kind of beting can only be done at the casino. If you are on a small slot like keno game, all I have to say to you. Good Luck small timer. You want to win more then what you enter into the canso with. always play the big board games.

andreas (09/12/09 10:43 am)good game

GotchaLV247 (18/12/09 6:05 am)Keno manufactures intergrate a clock into their machines that keeps the date and time just like a wrist watch. Even if unplugged a battery keeps it ticking. The seed from which numbers are randomly selected come from its (clock amount bet numbers played money collected payouts playing time idle time etc...) Oh Ya, I also think that some of those machines just flat out avoid picking the players numbers... Just gotta get lucky! :-)

Keno Junkie (19/12/09 10:13 pm)Keno machines are indeed ripoffs. I know this but am still drawn to them. I am addicted to the damn things..If you want a number to come up just pick the number next to it.

ilove keno (29/12/09 5:21 pm)i play often but i do not win often but this crap about not hitting more than 5 numbers is wrong i hit 9 out of 9 and i hit 7 out of 9 alot

dennis (10/01/10 6:41 am)one way of beating keno yes mate dont indulge buy yourself a fosters and contemplate what if aussie den

Barry5736 (14/01/10 3:13 am)Brad Davis is 100% correct about playing 'clumped' numbers. I have done that for years in casinos and have actually won more than I lost over time on both Keno machines and especially on the paper keno with the air-blown ping pong balls. It really works, Brad.

Lee (28/01/10 10:02 pm)I have had very good results by playing 4 numbers, 2 on six cards to cover all possible draws of the four and betting two dollars on each card.

kipp lawson (17/02/10 12:55 am)There is a way to beat keno!!! ... play ever game in order for 1.00 till you spent the dollar amount of pay out. if you dont win,double to 2.00 a game you hit...repeat till you win,...subtract winning from lost = amount up! this works every time!!! the only way to loose is to run out of money before hitting, so pick your game wisely,i play pick 3, and have at least 450.00 on hand ive never lost playin this method.

George Bush (08/03/10 10:20 pm)martingale fail theory



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