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Before you get too excited, let me first say that I don't have a foolproof method of beating keno at any casino. What I do have is an interesting story of how one man did indeed beat the casino at keno, very convincingly. This of course could be repeated, but if you're lucky enough to come across it, I recommend you keep it to yourself. The tale is often misinterpreted as the story of the math wiz who used chaos theory to determine consistent patters below the surface of a pseudo random number generator. In essence this is pretty much true, except it wasn't a math wiz, he didn't do a single calculation, and probably couldn't define what chaos theory is with anything more than the Jurassic park explanation. But his realization of a pattern within a set of no patterns is entirely true.

First off lets explain the difference between pseudo random numbers and random numbers. On another page of this site I mention that computers are actually much worse at picking random numbers than humans are, and I'd like to qualify that a little. When a computer program is asked to generate a random number, they go to a sequence of code designed for just that, which coincidentally enough is usually referred to as a random number generator. The problem is that the random number generator is only as good as its seed value, from which the random string of numbers is produced. A seed number acts sort of as the random starting block.

The problem is, how do we make the seed number random? Well we don't, computer scientists do; at least they attempt to. The most recent research in the field that I've come across talks of scientists in California calculating the number of raindrops which fall within a certain set area, in an attempt to draw random seeds from something truly random. So you see this is why most random number generators are actually pseudo-random number generators and, if you know both the seed and the number generator algorithm, then you can perfectly predict the coming numbers (hence the pseudo, 'cuz it sure ain't random if its predictable). Most seed values are achieved by adding an offset number to the preceding seed number before the next random number is produced. This could be achieved, for example, by a computer taking the seed and multiplying it by the number of keystrokes at the computer over the past 5 minutes, squared, or by any other equally nonsensical, and therefore relatively random way to produce a number.

So in the case of this fellow who 'beat' keno, we now have some idea how he must have gone about it. Basically he either needed to know the algorithm and the seed, or have someone feeding him information in a method I can't even imagine. Turns out he had what was essentially equal to the seed and the algorithm, by simply consistently observing the keno numbers each day at the same casino. While searching for patterns day after day, he realized the keno machine was starting with the same seed, and running the same algorithm, each and every morning. An automated system at the casino must have physically shut the machines down and started them up each morning. This, in concert with programming that resets its seed value upon start-up each day, and utilizes just one random number generation algorithm, results in the casino displaying the same 'random' set of results starting with set one, proceeding to set two, and set three. So if you played the first game of the day each day, the winning numbers would be exactly the same each time. If you played the 45th game each day, it would be the same as the 45th game from the preceding day. Eventually the 'math wiz' caught onto this fact, and started taking advantage. He saw a pattern below the patterns, while busy searching with chaos theory for a pattern above the patterns.

In reality, the player didn't beat keno; the casino beat itself.




Comments

Cunta Kintay (12/04/09 3:56 am)I found that numbers do repeat somewhat for example the numbers 51-60 one day kept falling digital keno so i played them and hit 9 out of ten and got the Power ball x4 my winnings it was a ten cent machine and i walked away with over 350.00 $ profit this happens often but different numbers and once u hit good they may come again but not as big 7/10 insted

Bob (21/04/09 3:34 am)Any programmer worth his/her salt starts a random # generator with a time seed which is sensitive to about 4 places & therefore totally different every day - it would take millions of trials to see a pattern - good luck - mathematicians always win !!

Cognitive Scientist (08/06/09 8:52 pm)Humans are not better at producing random numbers. They have actually been documented to be terrible at this. This is why some people are better than others at rock-paper-scissors.

bob (10/07/09 9:00 pm)hello

brad davis (29/09/09 12:43 am)random # sure.... but.. the real way to "beat" is to clump some numbers together, like 3 or 4 numbers and keep playing them...sooner or later they will come up, keno #s tend to clump together.
when you think its time, predict, bet huggge!

brad davis (29/09/09 12:46 am)dont EVER go above 5 #s, i would say dont go above 3. (3 #s is doeable, and 25 times whatever you bet is a good solid win!!!

the odds of hitting all 8, 9 , or 10 numbers..astronomical..forget it, just never going to happen.I played 10 years before i ever got all 5 out of 5 !!! 10 yrs!!!! but mucho sucess just plyaing 2 or 3 numbers, if you want it to pay out big, bet big!!!

hilchond (02/10/09 4:32 pm)Hello people on net.

Roy - The Woodlands, TX (04/10/09 8:53 pm)Diamond Jack's Casino in Vicksburg, MS was hit for 30 Keno jackpots within 1 hour by a group of people, betting 5 numbers at $40 a card. Reportedly the group won over $100,000 and left casino

Nevada Smith from RENO (16/11/09 12:09 am)I play a pattern that looks like a dead man and I can place the Dead Man anywhere on the Keno card make my bet and win. Each play bet is $1. Before i do any betting, I go up and ask for a history of games already played. That'll show to me about six games. From that I can select the combo of deadmen patterns I will be on. I win often. Now that kind of beting can only be done at the casino. If you are on a small slot like keno game, all I have to say to you. Good Luck small timer. You want to win more then what you enter into the canso with. always play the big board games.

andreas (09/12/09 10:43 am)good game

GotchaLV247 (18/12/09 6:05 am)Keno manufactures intergrate a clock into their machines that keeps the date and time just like a wrist watch. Even if unplugged a battery keeps it ticking. The seed from which numbers are randomly selected come from its (clock amount bet numbers played money collected payouts playing time idle time etc...) Oh Ya, I also think that some of those machines just flat out avoid picking the players numbers... Just gotta get lucky! :-)

Keno Junkie (19/12/09 10:13 pm)Keno machines are indeed ripoffs. I know this but am still drawn to them. I am addicted to the damn things..If you want a number to come up just pick the number next to it.

ilove keno (29/12/09 5:21 pm)i play often but i do not win often but this crap about not hitting more than 5 numbers is wrong i hit 9 out of 9 and i hit 7 out of 9 alot

dennis (10/01/10 6:41 am)one way of beating keno yes mate dont indulge buy yourself a fosters and contemplate what if aussie den

Barry5736 (14/01/10 3:13 am)Brad Davis is 100% correct about playing 'clumped' numbers. I have done that for years in casinos and have actually won more than I lost over time on both Keno machines and especially on the paper keno with the air-blown ping pong balls. It really works, Brad.

Lee (28/01/10 10:02 pm)I have had very good results by playing 4 numbers, 2 on six cards to cover all possible draws of the four and betting two dollars on each card.

kipp lawson (17/02/10 12:55 am)There is a way to beat keno!!! ... play ever game in order for 1.00 till you spent the dollar amount of pay out. if you dont win,double to 2.00 a game you hit...repeat till you win,...subtract winning from lost = amount up! this works every time!!! the only way to loose is to run out of money before hitting, so pick your game wisely,i play pick 3, and have at least 450.00 on hand ive never lost playin this method.

George Bush (08/03/10 10:20 pm)martingale fail theory

al Williams (27/03/10 8:54 am)I am a Professional Keno Player,here are a few tips,always ask for a past history count of 20 games, all numbers from 1 to 80 should have hit at least once, if any number 's have not hit, play them, they will come soon,and always double your bet each time ,till you hit,also on average % of number's from last game repeat,and % of number's each game are outside border numbers, last year hit 8 times 8 out 9,odds for $50,000 are 1 in 30,000,better then 7 out of 7, which are 1 out 40,000, I do this part time, good luck.

al williams (27/03/10 8:56 am)The above % are 25%

G (02/04/10 8:25 am)Keno- I do see many repeating patterns in elctronic KENO. When I get on MY Pattern, the ball numbers AVOID my numbers. maddening. I am concerned why do I see this pattern falling on all machines NO Matter where or who or how!
I always see repeating patterns.
I want to figure a winning way to make patterns win for me.

Keno Kid (02/04/10 8:31 am)Has anyone figured out winning patterns usable for KENO? Like the guy in this story above??? Guess not.

Some say to Pick only 3,4 or 5 numbers, for obvious payoffs. My slot KENO avoids me and YES< hits next to my selections. I try to figure it out. Good luck.

GotchaLV247 (20/04/10 1:32 pm)I've been trying to stay of the machines and play more with the numbers that come from the ball machine. With the Physical mechanics bouncing in front of me I feel I am getting good odds. I've been hitting 5 spots more than I ever had playing the money sucking machines! I can also buy 100 games for $5.00 then go home and watch the numbers on my Computer. I think thats the cool part. Give up the machines for a bit and see how your luck pans out with the bouncing balls. Good Luck ;^D

joe (30/04/10 1:29 am)There is no way to beat keno unless you can find some computer pattern. The only method that holds any water is the 'start with 1.00 and double your bet until you win'. This is not a definite strategy, however, since there is a maximum bet in keno. If your wager amount option were infinite this method would always be successful. And the people who create these algorithms that keno runs off of have made them so complicated that youd be more likely to get struck by lightning than to crack it.

rasputin (15/05/10 12:40 am)has anyone noticed the difference betweem game maker and game king. I never can win at game king, yet have won as much as 16k at game maker. the patterns are different as well.

S2 (15/05/10 5:53 pm)The part that makes me crazy is when you leave a row (we always play rows) they come up quite often; not all of them but a significant number of them. If this were truly random, the new row you go to should come up as much as the one you just left...HA...Like that's going to happen! We have had good success chasing patterns; in our case, always rows. We watch which rows (Vert or Horiz) are hitting and go there for a bit. Chasing rows or patterns is just easier to spot than to try to keep track of separate numbers. We have played this way for over 10 years on video keno and done quite well. Lots of 7 spot hits and a few 8 of 8 hits. Also quite a few 8 of 9 hits for 4700 coins. We always play 1 coin for budget purposes and thus we can play almost every day...Keep track over a month and you may be surprised how close to even you are without counting major jackpots. Major hits are the gravy in our case...Maybe we are just luckier than most but for 10 years? I think not!

S2 (15/05/10 6:20 pm)Our method of play is no system; it's just something to watch to make the game more interresting! Keno can be boring at times and you have to be very patient during the seemingly endless droughts but if you keep at it, you can win big with this game! Watching patterns and lines just makes it more fun for us. Maybe you like blocks or squares or patterns or just numbers but do something to keep the interest while you wait for the BIG ONE!

Rob (18/05/10 8:24 am)I just wish I had every dollar back that I have spent on this damn addictive game, and I would be so friggin happy!!!

andreas (21/05/10 10:14 am)I am playing keno for 5 years now and the only advice that i have is:play only maximum 4 numbers.

Mongoose (23/05/10 6:25 am)Cluster your #'s. I pay 4 card keno and have a high % of winning. on 1 card I play 7 #'s. The other 3 I play 6 using most of the 7 #'s. Work's for me.

Merv (07/06/10 9:24 pm)I have been playing Game King Keno for about 5 years now and have lost over $5,000. I start with 3 numbers, then 4, then 5, right up to 7. The best win was $2,000. on 6 out of 6 on a $2.50 bet. I find that what ever numbers I choose, Game King avoids them, and then when I choose new numbers, it hits the last ones. One night I lost over $1,800. in six hours, and the damn machine would just not give me a dime....Go Figure?

bob w. (22/06/10 2:40 am)play 10 cards on the 2 spot for 1 game.even if you hit just one card,you'll get 9 of your dollars back.just dont play quick pick.good luck.trust me.

Charles (26/06/10 7:10 pm)i hit 6/6 my first time i went to the casino and havnt been able to hit it again, imo by the time you hit what you win you have already put more in the machine so just dont even play go play texas hold em where you odds arnt 1/7700 (for 6/6).....10/10 is like 1 in 8 million...good luck......

Ronnie (05/07/10 6:18 pm)Hey Gamblers, I just would like to say everyone has a different strategy playing keno some of these players win and most of players loose. My opinion here is those who wins they think their strategy works and those who loose they think we are playing wrong but, the bottom line is every game of money is all about your luck thats it. there is no such strategy works out here

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comicmantom (19/07/10 7:31 am)right now the math for keno goes like this, if I played for 1 day that was 228 draws, for 28`` days.. that was from 6:05 am till 1:00 am that was working out to
228 a day / 6384 a month basic math. now to start the math this day
July,18,2010 it went like this 196x6384 22x228=1256508 the set to watch is a bingo pattern that adds 76 too 80 76 77 78 79 80 get me so far ok the first bingo card from coca cola 1997 or 98 bottles were put out by the bottle company and I wrote all ten patterns down went to look at keno and bamb saw an immediate match the pattern went like this on the first card 1 3 5 6 8 16 17 20 21 23 32 33 34 39 46 48 49 51 53 61 63 64 66 69
if I added 76 77 78 79 80

c/up.. 1 3 5 . . 75 80
worked out two numbers between
6/69 always comes up in order with
1 3 5 .. ().. ().. 75 to 80
6 8
8 16
16 17
17 20
20 21
21 23
23 32
32 33
33 34
34 39
39 46
46 48
48 49
49 51
51 53
53 61
61 63
63 64
64 66
66 69
as you can see it is a 24 ticket pattern if I follow the math..
either 48 draws before the math and every other month 48 draws after the math will I play 24 tickets for 48 draws I have not had the money to play or a job to play so i will have to get my pattern down to 12 draws and that`s harder than I figured thats still
24 x 12 = 288 if even one set falls that`s 5000.00 and I have seen 30,000 in one draw. I have seen 12 numbers more than once look at this for instance

Draw #: 88
Time: 13:45
1 5 8 16 20 33 39 46 48 53 64 69 matches 12/24



Draw #: 143
Time: 18:20
01 02 03 05 07 08 14 29 33 38 43 51 53 60 61 65 77 78 79 80
1 3 5 8 33 51 53 61 77 78 79 80

this is 12x$5000,00 = $60,000
would have won no matter what this is day 1 12x12=144 the pattern fell 1 draw back from there on 143 i went 228 for 28 days and from there keep following the math good luck and here is the 14 / 24

1199087
1 3 5 6 16 17 23 32 33 34 46 63 64 66 c/up 14/24 matching 11/14 same as last 14/24

plus 6384 then 228 all the way from (448062) fell 1199094 only seven out of perfect

they fell 751025 draws apart worth of 6384 all the way 6384 6384 6384 all the way get it thats how many draw it took for me to finnally put it all togeter after 12 years this is all my watching
playing and working on beating the company as they screwed me before,my three tickets were perfect and i was going to play the machine only took 2 tickets the third was a winner that would not go through it was a 5000.00 winner ,I got mad and called Richmond in BC the said it must have been costumer error ,well it happened again in 28 days this time it shut the machine down fore 4 days
they came back on as club Keno with that in mind i played again. and moved ,I found the last ticket i played and it won 2500.00 and the numbers were both one above and one below my last number that was it , may attention was now beat the heck out of the game figure it out, see something that would give a clue i have a lot of patients now as i watch it will play the pattern once a day but the progression is 28 days what that means is it will play
1 3 5 (6 8) 77 79
1 3 5 8 16 78 80
like that thats it good luck



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